Comments on: God doesn’t care about your church. http://www.fraggedformysins.com/2010/04/god-doesnt-care-about-your-church/ Wed, 15 Jun 2011 21:09:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Pamela http://www.fraggedformysins.com/2010/04/god-doesnt-care-about-your-church/comment-page-1/#comment-40651 Pamela Thu, 29 Apr 2010 07:59:30 +0000 http://www.fraggedformysins.com/?p=815#comment-40651 very well said. i completely agree. and am in that place of being involved again in a "traditional big mega church" and still trying to hold onto these principles that i have learned the last 6 years or so....its a struggle. but i think you said it well at the beginning when you said its all about God caring about people. so, that's my focus right now. no matter the structure and all the things that will "burn", i won't make arguments and complain and fuss to change all of it, but i will set an example by focusing on people, on relationships, on pushing everyone around me to a deeper level in life with Christ. btw, i'm super excited about this new "turn" in your (our) church :) i feel i am at the same place as well, turning to an outward focus. i think my heart is still sown with all of yours!! and i read a really great article on ministry and this outward focus and i loved something he said: "Ministry is not something that you do. Ministry is something that you have to trust. If you know you are the beloved, and if you keep forgiving those with whom you form community and celebrate their gifts, you cannot do other than minister. Jesus cured people not by doing all sorts of complicated things. A power went out from him, and everyone was cured. He didn't say 'Let me talk to you for ten minutes, and maybe I can do something about this.' Everyone who touched him was cured, because a power went out from his pure heart. He wanted one thing--to do the will of God. He was the completely obedient one, the one who was always listening to God. Out of this listening came an intimacy with God that radiated out to everyone Jesus saw and touched. Ministry means you have to trust that. You have to trust that if you are the son and daughter of God, power will go out from you and that people will be healed." He goes on to describe what he means by healing (not in the literally way we think of it sometimes). He says that ministry or outreach is in two words: gratitude and compassion. Basically, when people are hurting in any way at all, its helping them turn everything into gratitude towards God (instead of anger, resentment, etc) and them lavishing compassion on their hurt hearts and souls, suffering with the suffering, weeping with the ones weeping. And this in turn is people feeling the power of God, experiencing Him through us..."touching our garments to be healed." This really challenge my "typical" thinking of outward outreach ministry..and i thought it would be challenging to your (our) church there as well :) very well said. i completely agree. and am in that place of being involved again in a “traditional big mega church” and still trying to hold onto these principles that i have learned the last 6 years or so….its a struggle. but i think you said it well at the beginning when you said its all about God caring about people. so, that’s my focus right now. no matter the structure and all the things that will “burn”, i won’t make arguments and complain and fuss to change all of it, but i will set an example by focusing on people, on relationships, on pushing everyone around me to a deeper level in life with Christ.

btw, i’m super excited about this new “turn” in your (our) church :) i feel i am at the same place as well, turning to an outward focus. i think my heart is still sown with all of yours!! and i read a really great article on ministry and this outward focus and i loved something he said:

“Ministry is not something that you do. Ministry is something that you have to trust. If you know you are the beloved, and if you keep forgiving those with whom you form community and celebrate their gifts, you cannot do other than minister. Jesus cured people not by doing all sorts of complicated things. A power went out from him, and everyone was cured. He didn’t say ‘Let me talk to you for ten minutes, and maybe I can do something about this.’ Everyone who touched him was cured, because a power went out from his pure heart. He wanted one thing–to do the will of God. He was the completely obedient one, the one who was always listening to God. Out of this listening came an intimacy with God that radiated out to everyone Jesus saw and touched.

Ministry means you have to trust that. You have to trust that if you are the son and daughter of God, power will go out from you and that people will be healed.”

He goes on to describe what he means by healing (not in the literally way we think of it sometimes). He says that ministry or outreach is in two words: gratitude and compassion. Basically, when people are hurting in any way at all, its helping them turn everything into gratitude towards God (instead of anger, resentment, etc) and them lavishing compassion on their hurt hearts and souls, suffering with the suffering, weeping with the ones weeping. And this in turn is people feeling the power of God, experiencing Him through us…”touching our garments to be healed.”

This really challenge my “typical” thinking of outward outreach ministry..and i thought it would be challenging to your (our) church there as well :)

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